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Posted by M.A. Perry
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WRB Analysis (wide range body analysis)
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Session Start: Wed Dec 09 00:00:00 2009
Session Ident: #futurestrades
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[09:12] <Nesi> 09:11ET BREAKING: Spain's outlook cut to negative by S&P [MW]
[09:14] <+Nesi>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... tqeOKGAqpo[09:17] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 1091.25
[09:19] <+Nesi> i sold my gold trade earlier, at 1140 from 1129.20
[09:28] <Forex2stay> morning
[09:29] <drt> mornin' all
[09:29] <+Nesi> hi all
[09:31] <jbuch> morning everyone
[09:32] <pdays> Shorts TF @ 598.3 «« simulator »»
[09:34] <+pdays> Covered 1/3 TF Short @ 597.7 --> + 0.6 «« simulator »»
[09:34] <+pdays> Covered 1/3 TF Short @ 597.2 --> + 1.1 «« simulator »»
[09:34] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 1091.00 -> Add
[09:34] <+pdays> Covered Remainder TF Short @ 596.6 --> + 1.7 «« simulator »»
[09:38] <@wrbtrader_away> I was hoping to see a new intraday low made out of the gate to get below yesterdays low volatility trading range.
[09:39] * wrbtrader_away is now known as wrbtrader
[09:39] <@wrbtrader> I fear that if a new high or low in comparision to yesterday's price action will only suck us into poor trading junk today.
[09:40] <+Nesi> spain news worst than dubai news
[09:40] <@wrbtrader> meant fear that if a new high or low IS NOT made...it will be problem trading today.
[09:40] <@wrbtrader> Yeah...can you post a link.
[09:40] <+Nesi>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... tqeOKGAqpo[09:40] <@wrbtrader> I heard it on the news but haven't done any online research
[09:40] <@wrbtrader> Thanks
[09:40] <+Nesi> it is sinking in now
[09:41] <@wrbtrader> All this financial crisis stuff is bearing more weight on the markets lately
[09:41] <@wrbtrader> In reference to the global stuff
[09:41] <+Nesi> Banco Popular -4% -7%
[09:42] <+jbuch> Shorts ES @ 1087.75
[09:42] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1086.50 -> large size
[09:42] <+Nesi> Covered all ES Short @ 1086.50 --> + 9.25
[09:42] <@wrbtrader> 9 only
[09:43] <@wrbtrader> support broken...lets see if it will continue for another point
[09:43] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 1086.5 --> + 1.25
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> Gold now
and it's trying to find support
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> same wil Oil now
[09:44] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1086.75 --> - 0.25
[09:45] <+jbuch> should have been short with Nesi overanalyzed it and hesitated
[09:47] <TraderG> Nesi - the date of the article you posted is MAY 21. this is how panic is spread. What is the purpose of posting something that was irrelevant probably by the time it was published?
[09:47] <+Nesi> let me see, one sec, please
[09:47] <@wrbtrader> Maybe he heard on TV what I heard today
[09:47] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1085.75 -> large size
[09:47] <@wrbtrader> 9 only
[09:47] <+Nesi>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/spains ... -09-910510[09:48] <+Nesi> that link
[09:48] <+Nesi> dec 9
[09:48] <+Nesi> i did not do it on purpose.. tragerg
[09:48] <+Nesi> i made a mistake
[09:48] <+TraderG> Sorry did not mean to sound harsh
[09:48] <+Nesi>
[09:48] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1087.00 --> - 1.25
[09:49] <@wrbtrader> ES
hard to get back into yesterday's range.
[09:49] <+TraderG> the media lately, even the respected ones, are resorting to tabloid tactics and I despize that
[09:49] <+TraderG> not your fault
[09:49] <@wrbtrader> As long as it stays below the zone..I'll keep trying to short it.
[09:49] <+TraderG> you just fell in their trap
[09:50] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 1086.50
[09:50] <+Nesi> 1
[09:51] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 1088.00 -> Add
[09:51] <+Nesi> 1
[09:51] <+jbuch> I only respect 2 media sources the daily show and the colbert report
[09:51] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1088.00 -> large size
[09:52] <@wrbtrader> 9 only
[09:52] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1088.25 --> + 0.25
[09:52] <@wrbtrader> Back inside yesterday's range
[09:52] <+TraderG> news in 8 min
[09:54] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1088.75 -> large size
[09:54] <@wrbtrader> reistance about 2 - 3 ticks higher
[09:54] <@wrbtrader> tight trail if it gets there
[09:56] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1089.00 --> + 0.25
[09:57] <@wrbtrader> Getting too close to that 10am est key economic report release
[09:57] <@wrbtrader> Would rather chase a Long right now that keep that prior Long
[09:58] <@wrbtrader> At resistance now...if it fails...should be a good short squeeze
[10:01] <+Nesi> *DJ US Oct Wholesale Inventories +0.3%; Expected -0.6%
[10:01] <+TraderG> good news >>> market tanks
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[10:02] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1090.50 -> large size
[10:02] <+TraderG> some will probably interpret this as INVENTORY BUILDUP without sales and all hell will break loose
[10:03] <+TraderG> but I am usually wrong
[10:03] <@wrbtrader> Key markets in synce and bouncing off some support levels...lets see if it holds and doesn't drop
[10:04] <@wrbtrader> Unfortunately, we're also back within that horrible range of yesterday
[10:05] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1089.75 --> - 0.75
[10:05] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1089.50 -> large size
[10:05] <@wrbtrader> 9 only
[10:10] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1090.00 --> - 0.5
[10:15] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1089.00 -> large size
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[10:18] <+TraderG> news in 12 min
[10:18] <+TraderG> oil
[10:18] <+Nesi> killer range
[10:18] <@wrbtrader> Yep...saw this one coming a mile away.
[10:19] <@wrbtrader> It almost made me go back to bed
[10:19] <@wrbtrader> We got some news today but not packing any sting.
[10:20] <@wrbtrader> I doubt the 1030am est EIA Petroleum Status report will shake things up beyond a few minutes.
[10:20] <+TraderG> it will for oil traders
[10:21] <@wrbtrader> true
[10:22] <+Nesi> we are VERY slowly inching down..imho
[10:22] <+Nesi> i may take my loss here soon
[10:23] <+TraderG> pulled my back shoveling the 1st major snow storm. it was like shovelling mud. Heavey as hell
[10:23] <+TraderG> I am moving south
[10:23] <+Nesi> where are you..tragerg?
[10:23] <+TraderG> Toronto
[10:23] <+Nesi> come to florida
[10:23] <@wrbtrader> Yeah...it's coming my way TraderG.
[10:23] <+Nesi> i live in Sunny Isles
[10:23] <+TraderG> huricanes and other stuff. NO THANKS
[10:23] <+Nesi> its paradise here
[10:23] <+Nesi> nah
[10:23] <@wrbtrader> In fact, will cut my day short because of such to go outside to secure some stuff.
[10:23] <+TraderG> no storms?
[10:24] <+Nesi> so far no
[10:24] <+TraderG> in general?
[10:24] <+Nesi> but i rather have a hurricane than snow..lol
[10:24] <+Nesi> last season was good
[10:24] <+TraderG> probably very hot in the summer
[10:24] <+TraderG> Hawai is the place
[10:24] <+Nesi> oh yes, for three months of summer is like having a laser gun at your head
[10:24] <+Nesi> hawai..volcanoes..lol
[10:24] <+TraderG> hahahaha
[10:25] <+TraderG> heaven???
[10:25] <+TraderG> now we have rain to make things even worse
[10:25] <+TraderG> news in 5
[10:26] <+Nesi> slow motion trading
[10:26] <+Nesi> jb, i made 1.140.00 from gold , i sold this morning
[10:27] * codehead_afk is now known as codehead
[10:27] <@wrbtrader> tighten trail because I've now ran out of time
[10:28] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1088.75 --> + 0.25
[10:30] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1088.50 -> large size
[10:30] <@wrbtrader> 9 only
[10:31] <+Nesi> 10:30 *DJ DOE: US Crude Oil Stocks -3.823M Bbl In Wk; Seen +0.6M Bbl
[10:31] <@wrbtrader> only lost 1 tick on the re-entry from the prior short that had it's trail pick pocketed.
[10:32] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1088.00 --> + 0.5
[10:34] <@wrbtrader> Maybe the mid-west (Chicago) where the CME is at the traders are still in shock about yesterday's big blizzard.
[10:34] <@wrbtrader>
[10:35] <@wrbtrader> When I was a kid when my step-father was a floor trader I do remember big snow storms keeping many of the traders away.
[10:36] <@wrbtrader> However, the few that made it downtown (the loop)...they would all book a hotel just in case they got stuck.
[10:37] <@wrbtrader> However, markets is more global today than back then...many big traders not even on the exchange.
[10:38] <@wrbtrader> Just as I suspected...they EIA Petroleum Status report is lacking this time around in it's usual volatility generator
[10:39] <@wrbtrader> That's unusual but I notice that Oil hasn't been the talk of the town lately
[10:40] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1090.25 -> large size
[10:40] <@wrbtrader> 9 only
[10:40] <@wrbtrader> volatility spike
[10:42] <@wrbtrader> it's a sneaky one because it's occuring after a small contraction that was preceded by back to back WRB's of opposite directions on the 2min chart
[10:42] <@wrbtrader> worth trying to catch a point
[10:44] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1092.25 --> + 2
[10:45] <@wrbtrader> That's an early exit...i really need to go outside to do about an hour worth of work to get ready for storm that's comming.
[10:45] <@wrbtrader> Back back later.
[10:45] * wrbtrader is now known as wrbtrader_away
[11:46] <pat255>
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[11:46] <+pat255> late from office
[11:46] <+pat255> mkt very quite?
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[13:04] <+Nesi> 1080 next area today
[13:06] <+Nesi> gold near day low
[13:06] <+Nesi> ES here we go
[13:07] <+pat255> y
[13:08] <+Nesi> big support here
[13:08] <+Nesi> if taken out
[13:08] <+Nesi> we probably go lower
[13:08] <+pat255> trend is down ..S any move up
[13:08] <+pat255> missed entry 1090
[13:14] <+jbuch> damn glad I am not listening to you guys
[13:15] <+pat255> u L jb?
[13:16] <+jbuch> no just sat back down a couplr of minutes ago
[13:17] <+pat255> k ... me late too
[13:17] <+pat255> had to take wife to doctor ..
[13:19] <+jbuch> is she ok
[13:19] <+pat255> yeah ..ty
[13:20] <+pat255> jb u trade full time?
[13:20] <+jbuch> yeah
[13:20] <+pat255> k ...
[13:20] <+pat255> see u doing well ...
[13:21] <+jbuch> I just got back from my lawyers office hard to say which one is worst a visit to your doctor or your lawyer
[13:22] <+jbuch> they are both expensive and can give you really shittynews
[13:22] <+pat255> oh my ..both v expensive
[13:23] <+pat255> geez never used attorney in my life except when bought house
[13:26] <+jbuch> this is my first time I would not recommend it
[13:27] <+Nesi> Shorts ES @ 1088.00 -> Add
[13:28] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 1088.5
[13:30] <matinthehat> how many points have you guys made so far today?
[13:30] <+jbuch> shitty entry meant to get it at 1088.25
[13:32] <+Nesi> fasten seatbelts for 1080
[13:33] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 1088.25 --> - 0.25
[13:34] <+Nesi> oil may go sub 70
[13:35] <+jbuch> late my daughter dumped a bowl of pamogranite seeds on the carpet.
[13:37] <tomosyn57> Long SSO @ 36.47
[13:39] <+jbuch> Have been really distracted this week so it is probably me but the PA seems really choppy
[13:39] <+pat255> it is ...jb
[13:40] <+tomosyn57> Exited all SSO Long @ 36.45 --> - 0.02
[13:41] <+Nesi> support broke
[13:42] <+pat255> y
[13:42] <+jbuch> Nesi are u short.
[13:43] <+pat255> y jb 88 think a bit higher too
[13:43] <+Nesi> 3 1087.50
[13:43] <+jbuch> Shorts ES @ 1086.5
[13:46] <+jbuch> Covered all ES Short @ 1087.25 --> - 0.75
[13:46] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 1087.5
[13:49] <+jbuch> might have been cheaper to stay at the lawyers office
[13:51] <+pat255> lol rofl
[13:58] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 1087 --> - 0.5
[14:01] <+jbuch> jeeze
[14:02] <+jbuch> think it is about to pop 1 way or the other
[14:06] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 1089.25
[14:07] <+jbuch> chased it all the way up from 87.5
[14:10] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 1089.5 --> + 0.25
[14:10] <+jbuch> lol
[14:11] <+pat255> gutsy to taje that L jb
[14:11] <+jbuch> shitty trading
[14:11] <+codehead> should have bought QM--bought back a little USO, tried to add near the lows but missed
[14:12] <+jbuch> wow look at oil right back to were I bought it a few months ago
[14:12] <+codehead> sold last of USO at 40.99, so did well, but USO severely underperformed crude
[14:13] <+codehead> it should have gone to 60 instead of 42 top
[14:13] <+codehead> crude top was around 150, USo 119
[14:13] <+codehead> now USO tracking around half crude price
[14:14] <+jbuch> yeah I was in it from 80 rode it all the way back down to 85
[14:14] <+codehead> ya know, i knew the top was in the day goldman or whoever came out and said "it's going to 200"
[14:14] <+codehead> and indeed it was the top
[14:15] <+codehead> and...
[14:15] <+jbuch> same with gold rode that sucker all the way up and al the way down
[14:15] <+codehead> I loaded up on USO the day someone came out and said "crude is going to 20"
[14:15] <+codehead> and it was the lows
[14:15] <+codehead> that's just the way those emotional commodities seem to trade
[14:15] <+jbuch> crazy
[14:16] <+codehead> but during the crash, the cantango was insane, and i think that's why USO slipped so much
[14:16] <+jbuch> was talking to a great trader yesterdaywho was looking at cl looks interesting
[14:16] <+codehead> there was like $8 cantango with a day or so left before expiration
[14:17] <+codehead> so the fund had to be rolling into the next contract at a huge premium
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[14:35] <+jbuch> Long ES @ 1090.5
[14:42] <+pat255> vn jb
[14:43] <+jbuch> Exited all ES Long @ 1091.5 --> + 1
[14:46] <+jbuch> thanks pat
[14:50] * codeheadX is now known as codehead
[14:51] <codehead> NQ retesting hod
[14:51] <+codehead> ES and YM not close
[14:54] <+jbuch> creeper
[14:55] <+jbuch> have a short orderat 91.75
[14:56] <+jbuch> got hit several times no fill
[14:56] <+jbuch> canceled it
[15:01] <+jbuch> they are duking it here
[15:16] <+jbuch> nice move
[15:24] <+pat255> ggez what a move
[15:24] <@wrbtrader_away> Just got back from picking up my kids from school and daycare...everything closed early today because of the snow storm
[15:24] * wrbtrader_away is now known as wrbtrader
[15:25] <+pat255> y here too in mid-west too
[15:25] <@wrbtrader> I've been here since 2000 and this is the first time I seen stuff close early because of a snow storm in a city known for snow.
[15:25] <+codehead> 1791.00 the major symmetry on NQ--hit it exact
[15:26] <@wrbtrader> We're talking about a place where people hang outside and do winter parades when its -20
[15:26] <+codehead> wow
[15:30] <@wrbtrader> Bearish quick price action...not sure if it will persist much longer
[15:37] <@wrbtrader> 3 tick range right now
[15:39] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1094.25 -> large size
[15:40] <+codehead> ok, now i feel stupid for waiting patiently for 1791.00 to short NQ, then chickening out :-/
[15:40] <@wrbtrader> I don't think it's going to go to far now that I'm in the trade.
[15:41] <@wrbtrader> wasn't looking for ticks and that may spook me out with the prior 3 tick range just sitting above
[15:41] <+codehead> well, i can tell you that if NQ dips to 1780.00 area, it's a screaming buy--real nice cluster there now
[15:42] <@wrbtrader> It's still bearish but the profit potential just decreased during my last typing
[15:43] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1095.00 --> - 0.75
[15:44] <@wrbtrader> back into that prior 3 tick range
[15:44] <@wrbtrader>
[15:47] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1095.75 -> large size
[15:47] <+tomosyn57> Long SSO @ 36.93
[15:47] <@wrbtrader> 6 only
[15:47] <@wrbtrader> we have a tough 3 tick range to break out of
[15:48] <+tomosyn57> Exited 1/2 SSO Long @ 36.96 --> + 0.03
[15:48] <@wrbtrader> DAX ang Gold trying to help but not Oil the party pooper
[15:50] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1095.25 --> - 0.5
[15:51] <@wrbtrader> two good tries but its looking like this will be how the market closes.
[15:51] <+tomosyn57> Exited Remainder SSO Long @ 36.91 --> - 0.02
[15:51] <@wrbtrader> Shorts ES @ 1094.50 -> large size
[15:51] <@wrbtrader> 6 only
[15:53] <@wrbtrader> geesh
[15:54] <@wrbtrader> Covered all ES Short @ 1095.00 --> - 0.5
[15:55] <@wrbtrader> 1095.25 - 1094.50 that 3 tick range
[15:55] <@wrbtrader> remember it for tomorrow's trading session
[15:55] <@wrbtrader> I'll post a reminder tomorrow morning.
[15:56] <@wrbtrader> At worst...it'll be a useful profit target
[15:57] <+codehead> 1106.25 is gap fill, 1106.00 is .618
[15:57] <+codehead> 1098.00, 1102.00, 1106.00
[15:58] <+codehead> NQ new hod
[15:59] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1095.50 -> large size
[15:59] <@wrbtrader> 6 only
[15:59] <@wrbtrader> trying again outside that range
[16:00] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1095.00 --> - 0.5
[16:07] <@wrbtrader> Long ES @ 1095.50 -> large size
[16:07] <@wrbtrader> 6 only
[16:10] <@wrbtrader> Got 2 1/2 feet of snow but that's only because I'm up in higher elevation
[16:10] <+TraderG> today?
[16:10] <@wrbtrader> The ski resort is happy because they've been snowless (only one slope open) prior to today.
[16:11] <@wrbtrader> TraderG...not just today...in a few hours.
[16:11] <+TraderG> yuuuuuuuuuuuu huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[16:11] <@wrbtrader> That's normal for this type of blizzard up here
[16:12] <+jbuch> dang
[16:13] <+TraderG> I lived in Montreal for many years and the worst I saw was 15 inches in 2-3 hours
[16:13] <@wrbtrader> What about Mount Trenblant
[16:13] <@wrbtrader>
[16:14] <@wrbtrader> Exited all ES Long @ 1095.50 --> 0
[16:16] <@wrbtrader> Meant Tremblant
[16:17] <@wrbtrader> Like I said, I've been here since 2000 and I've never seen them shut down anything before because of a snow storm
[16:17] <@wrbtrader> Spouse saids it's the first shut down in 21 years
[16:17] <@wrbtrader> It's suppose to get worst as the day continues
[16:18] <+TraderG> I am not moving there
[16:20] <@wrbtrader> Just saw something big tumble down the street...
[16:20] <+TraderG> Santa Clause
[16:20] <@wrbtrader> Take care all...seee all tomorrow...got lots of work to do now
[16:20] * wrbtrader is now known as wrbtrader_away
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Session Close: Thu Dec 10 00:00:00 2009
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http://www.thestrategylab.com/FuturesTradesChatRoom.htm Also, to prevent the usual mix-up about our different chat rooms, most of our fee-base clients do not use chat rooms just like most retail traders do not use chat rooms. Yet, the few clients that do use chat rooms, our fee-base clients are discussing market analysis or trade signals via concepts from our strategies in the
private chat rooms called
#VolatilityTradingTSL or
#SwingTradingTSL and they're not allowed to do such in #FuturesTrades.
Reminder, our
Terms of Use (TOU) Policy is a must read to prevent any misunderstandings along with revealing that #FuturesTrades is a serious professional trading chat room and we expect members to act
professional. Also, these logs may have been edited (rarely) to remove any messages that a member has complained to me via private message that they consider a particular commentary to be inappropriate, offending or too far in the off topic area that's a distraction when the commentary was posted.
Last of all, prior to December 1st 2008, archive logs of #FuturesTrades is stored at the below link.
http://www.thestrategylab.com/ArchivedPastTrades.htm Note: All logs regardless to their location at TheStrategyLab.com website are eastern standard time. Best Regards,
M.A. Perry
Trader and Founder of
WRB Analysis (wide range body analysis)
@
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